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Lady Lorwinia · Mar 11, 2006, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Bah. I saved up 3k faction for this.

Since I think a pet for a bunny thumper is a complete complete waste of skill slots..

I decided to look for something other than expertise stances.. which don't really work with this build because tiger's fury is a stance.

So I looked for other means of survival.

With lot's of searcher I found greater conflagration which turns all physical damage to fire damage.

I re rolled with my char with that and full drakescale.. which has nice armour against fire.

This imo dissapointed me drastically.. didn't help me at all.. I received the same damage...

I wish I could have spent it on something else..

what do you think?

No flames please, just wondering what your opinion is on greater conflag

batou · Mar 11, 2006, 04:38 AM // 04:38

greater conflag dosent deserve an elite, imo

if you only want a elemental damage for your armor benefits, using winter+frostbound armor wouldve been a better choice, instead of wasting faction.

besdies, a smart warrior would just take out your spirit anyway..., relying on a spirit to reduce damage is unreliable imo too.

wheel · Mar 11, 2006, 04:46 AM // 04:46

Running Ferocious Strike and a strong pet on a bunny thumper gives you very good damage. It's certainly much more powerful than a Wilderness Survival skill like Conflagration that doesn't do a whole lot.

Robster Lobster · Mar 11, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

Greater Conflagration (like most spirits) is something that it really helps to really base your entire team around, rather than just you. If you get a few people at least running Mantra of Flame it becomes significantly better. And it can complete destroy any orders the other team is using. Combo's nicely with Winter as well.

Mercury Angel · Mar 11, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by Robster Lobster

Greater Conflagration (like most spirits) is something that it really helps to really base your entire team around, rather than just you. If you get a few people at least running Mantra of Flame it becomes significantly better. And it can complete destroy any orders the other team is using. Combo's nicely with Winter as well.

Sadly, therein lies its fatal flaw as well. Spirits are killed fairly easily, making basing a combo around it very, very, risky. With something like Winnowing, it supports a build, but with something like Greater Conflagration, in order for it to be of any real use, it has to be a keystone of the build.

Robster Lobster · Mar 11, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

Sadly, therein lies its fatal flaw as well. Spirits are killed fairly easily, making basing a combo around it very, very, risky. With something like Winnowing, it supports a build, but with something like Greater Conflagration, in order for it to be of any real use, it has to be a keystone of the build.

The risk can be minimised slightly by having 2 rangers, one one Greater Conflag and the other running Oathshot and Arcane Mimicry (last time I tried it, Mimicry did work, though I don't think it should), but you are right, the few times I've run a Greater Frost build and the other team have known what they're doing, one warrior in the other team just spends all his time bashing away at our spirits

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Epinephrine · Mar 11, 2006, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Yup - it really shouldn't be an elite.

QuixotesGhost · Mar 11, 2006, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Yup - it really shouldn't be an elite.

Removing Greater Conflags Elite Status would be a signifigant nerf to Orders. I kinda wonder if this would've been a better solution that the wierdness they pulled with OoV.

Sha Noran · Mar 11, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

Actually, if you look at the new skills that will be available in Faction, "Conflagration" is one of them under the Ranger list. This may be a sort of fire version of Winter... which would essentially be a non-elite Greater Conflagration (hence the name, I'm sure). So I doubt they'll make GC a non-elite.... not that they would anyway. :-P

Mercury Angel · Mar 11, 2006, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by Sha Noran

Actually, if you look at the new skills that will be available in Faction, "Conflagration" is one of them under the Ranger list. This may be a sort of fire version of Winter... which would essentially be a non-elite Greater Conflagration (hence the name, I'm sure). So I doubt they'll make GC a non-elite.... not that they would anyway. :-P

The old Conflagration was a preparation, back when preparations only lasted for your next arrow, and it dealt fire damage. Not sure if it formed the basis of what would become Kindle or Ignite Arrows anymore, though it has its own unique graphic.

Oddly enough, I believe Winter, previously Blizzard, was elite as well for a time. [Edit: Though this could be inaccurate.] [2nd Edit: Ok, signs are really pointing to it being inaccurate. Bah, I hate misrembering crap.]

Sha Noran · Mar 11, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

True, yes, I know of both Blizzard and the original Conflagration, however I'm just looking at what these skills are likely to be now. I doubt, with Kindle and Ignite the way they are now, that Conflagration will be like it was before. Just my thoughts on the matter. :-)

suiraCLAW · Mar 11, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

Greater Conflagration can be of some use in tombs for obisidian flame spike (GC + ward against harm = good defense) + GC prevents dmg from orders.

anyway: I once (long time ago...) saw a team with 5 curse N/Me using mantra of frost, a ranger with GC, winter and QZ and 2 monks with mantra of frost and mantra of recall. tactic: keep hexing other team, then FoC when the other team clumbs together to get in spell cast/melee range to spike one of the spirits. (there record was 5 kills (pets included) in one spike against iway)

DarkAynjil · Mar 13, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by wheel

Running Ferocious Strike and a strong pet on a bunny thumper gives you very good damage. It's certainly much more powerful than a Wilderness Survival skill like Conflagration that doesn't do a whole lot.

Very true - I especially like the fact that Ferocious strike gives a strike of adrenaline, combine that with tiger's fury and a hammer with the Adrenal mod, and you can charge Hammer Bash very very quickly, enough to knockdown a target practically whenever you want.

Epinephrine · Mar 13, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Well, with GC being elite it is almost unusable in PvP. It is simply begging to be killed, and has a 60 second recharge - plant it at your peril. It also doesn't hurt orders ranger-spike really, as if you set it far enough up to catch the rangers they can just shoot it, and if it is too far back they will have physical damage when firing, so the bonus will be applied.

No, it really is a limited skill. Sure, it's a powerful effect, but no more powerful than most spirits, and just as vulnerable.

Lorien of Mandos · Mar 14, 2006, 03:41 AM // 03:41

What about using greater conflag in conjunction with mark of rodgort?? every warrior hit sets target on fire...might be some nice damage possibility there.

Vindexus · Mar 14, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Wow, I'm really surprised nobody noticed this part of his post.

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Originally Posted by Lady Lorwinia

I re rolled with my char with that and full drakescale.. which has nice armour against fire.

This imo dissapointed me drastically.. didn't help me at all.. I received the same damage...

Anyway, Greater Conflag is bad because spirits do not work without Oath Shot. Giving Greater Conflag an increased range would be a good buff, allowing you to keep it further back.

tafy69 · Mar 14, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Yes making it a Super Spirit would be good, lvl 20 spirit would be great and would take a while to hack it to pieces.

Sha Noran · Mar 14, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

zOMG LETS MAEK IT FLY 2 LOLOLOOL.

Dude, its just another Elite that isn't worth it.... there's lots of them. It actually does what its meant to do as it is quite well. It's an Elite spirit... not much more than that.

Poison Ivy · Mar 14, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Also, total pwnage degen ~ Zealous melee dude + Axe or Sword + Mark of Rodgort

DarkAynjil · Mar 14, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by Lorien of Mandos

What about using greater conflag in conjunction with mark of rodgort?? every warrior hit sets target on fire...might be some nice damage possibility there.

Seen gimmick builds using Mark of Roddie and Greater conflag --- the build is good for a few surprise kills, but you're relying on 1 hex to kill ppl with.